New York 1808 Electoral College

Office:: Electoral College (Federal)
Title:: Elector
Jurisdiction:: Federal

Label:: New York 1808 Electoral College
Date:: 1808
State:: New York
Type:: Legislative
Iteration:: First Ballot
Office/Role:: Electoral College/Elector
Electors:: John Garretson, Hugh Jamison, Jonathan Rouse, Henry Rutgers, John W. Seaman, Ebenezer White, Ambrose Spencer, Henry Yates, Jr., Russel Atwater, Mathew Carpenter, William Hallock, Henry Huntington, Thomas Lawrence, Benjamin Mooers, Micajah Pettit, Thomas Shankland, Joseph Simonds, James Tallmadge, Adam B. Vrooman, Garret Abeel, William Beekman, Jonathan Brown, Henry Davis, Benjamin Dykeman, John Fleet, Ebenezer Foote, Leonard Gansevoort, Amos Hall, Moss Kent, Henry Livingston, Daniel Paris, Jonas Platt, Cornelius Ray, Ebenezer Russell, Philip I. Schuyler, Joseph Speed, John Suydam, Joshua Whitney, Samuel Clark, Uri Doolittle, William W. Fox, Roswell Hotchkiss, Cornelius Humphrey, Caleb Hyde, Abraham G. Lansing, Andrew MacCord, Theron Rudd, Martin G. Schuneman, George Widrig, William Wilson, Moses Cantine

Electors:	John Garretson [1]	Hugh Jamison [2]	Jonathan Rouse [3]	Henry Rutgers [4]	John W. Seaman [5]	Ebenezer White [6]	Ambrose Spencer [7]	Henry Yates, Jr.[8]	Russel Atwater [9]	Mathew Carpenter [10]	William Hallock [11]	Henry Huntington [12]	Thomas Lawrence [13]	Benjamin Mooers [14]	Micajah Pettit [15]	Thomas Shankland [16]	Joseph Simonds [17]	James Tallmadge [18]	Adam B. Vrooman [19]	Garret Abeel	William Beekman	Jonathan Brown	Henry Davis	Benjamin Dykeman	John Fleet	Ebenezer Foote	Leonard Gansevoort	Amos Hall	Moss Kent	Henry Livingston	Daniel Paris	Jonas Platt	Cornelius Ray	Ebenezer Russell	Philip I. Schuyler	Joseph Speed	John Suydam	Joshua Whitney	Samuel Clark	Uri Doolittle	William W. Fox	Roswell Hotchkiss	Cornelius Humphrey	Caleb Hyde	Abraham G. Lansing	Andrew MacCord	Theron Rudd	Martin G. Schuneman	George Widrig	William Wilson	Moses Cantine
Affiliation:	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Republican	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist	Federalist
Presidential Candidate:	George Clinton	James Madison	James Madison	James Madison	James Madison	James Madison	James Madison	George Clinton	George Clinton	James Madison	James Madison	George Clinton	James Madison	James Madison	James Madison	James Madison	James Madison	George Clinton	George Clinton	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney	Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Final Result: [20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30]	96	96	96	96	96	96	90	90	89	89	89	89	89	89	89	89	89	89	89	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	47	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	6
Assembly	65	65	65	65	65	65	64	64	64	64	64	64	64	64	64	64	64	64	64	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	46	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1
Senate	31	31	31	31	31	31	26	26	25	25	25	25	25	25	25	25	25	25	25	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	6	5

Notes:

[1]Elected.

[2]Elected.

[3]Elected.

[4]Elected.

[5]Elected.

[6]Elected.

[7]Elected.

[8]Elected.

[9]Elected.

[10]Elected.

[11]Elected.

[12]Elected.

[13]Elected.

[14]Elected.

[15]Elected.

[16]Elected.

[17]Elected.

[18]Elected.

[19]Elected.

[20]"Albany, November 7 1808. ... Pursuant to the concurrent resolutions of both houses of the legislature, the house proceeded to nominate and appoint Electors in this State for the election of a President and Vice-President of the United States of America, and each member present openly nominated nineteen persons as follows, to wit:" Journal of the New York Assembly.

[21]In New York state, electors for president and vice-president of the United States were chosen by the state legislature rather than by popular vote. Soon after the electors were chosen, it was stated in some newspapers that most members of the Republican slate of electors would support former New York Governor George Clinton for president over James Madison, the choice of the Republican party at large. However, when it came time for the electors to vote, thirteen of the New York electors chose James Madison, and six chose George Clinton.

[22]"Mr. Hurd will be omitted, it being discovered that he holds an office under the United States...It appears by The Albany Register (Albany, NY), that Mr. Halfock [sic] has been substituted in the place of Mr. Hurd." William Hallock was a substitute for Jabez N.M. Hurd. The Monitor (Washington, DC). December 8, 1808.

[23]"The Question settled -- The following gentlemen are appointed Electors of President and Vice-President for this State. CLINTON: Messrs. Spencer (Judge), [from] Albany; Huntington, Rome; Tallmadge, Dutchess; Yates, Schenectady; Shankland, Otsego; Hurd (Chenango); Atwter, St. Lawrence; Carpenter, Tioga; Symonds, Madison; Jameson, Ontario; Moores [sic], Clinton; Pettit, Washington; Rouse, Rensselaer; Lawrence, Greene; Vrooman, Schoharie; Garritson, Staten Island. MADISON: Messrs. White, WestChester; Rutgers, New-York; Seaman, Long-Island. In this State (out of this city) Madisonianism in unknown. The legislature, as usual, is Republican, or as is generally termed, Clintonian. The three Madisonians were appointed in consequence of its having been agreed, in caucus, to chuse by Congressional districts; but the Legislature expects that the vote of this state will be an undivided one for Gov. Clinton as our next President." American Citizen (New York, NY). November 8, 1808.

[24]"PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS. In our last, we expressed a hope, that nothing might occur to disturb the harmony with which the incipient measures of the legislature had been adopted on the part of the majority. The only fear which we entertained was, that a schism might be produced among the republicans in the choice of Presidential Electors -- and it was in reference to this subject in particular, that our ardent wish for harmony was expressed. ... We long since observed, that the ferment which apparently existed in the city of New York, on the Presidential question, had no existence in the interior and among the yeomanry of the state ... An honest difference of opinion as to the respective merits of CLINTON and MADISON, was thus artfully magnified into a difference of principle -- and attempts were made to carry into the country a flame which in its progress might have blasted the republican character of the state ... But without reflecting on the past, let us rejoice in the present state of things -- and look forward to the prospects which now begin to brighten upon the view, and cheer the hopes of republicans. -- In the decision which has been made, the legitimate republican party only, has had a voice. ... -- the majority are republicans of the old school -- men who went through the fire of persecution with the CLINTONS, in the dark days of '98,' -- whose confidence in these inflexible patriots has not diminished, but has on the contrary, increased with every attack made upon them by the prostituted vehicles of slander ... These are the men to whom our representatives have deliberately confided the destiny of this state in the Presidental Election: their republican attachments are well known -- their independence is beyond dispute, and their integrity unimpeached: the republican party, therefore, will, no doubt, most cheerfully acquiese in the decision which they shall pronounce, on the great question which now agitates the UNION." The Albany Register (Albany, NY). November 8, 1808.

[25]"The quids in this city have been preaching up acquiescence in the will of what they have erroneously called the majority in the nomination of Mr. Madison, but their theory and practice differ." American Citizen (New York, NY). November 12, 1808.

[26]"Copy of a letter, dated Albany, November 5, 1808. Last evening a general meeting of the republican members of the legislature was held to consult as to the proper characters to be chosen for electors. They agreed upon the following, (and on Monday they will no doubt be chosen.) ... You will, perhaps, be surprized to see so parti-colored a ticket. A desire to harmonize induced the friends to Mr. Madison (tho' a MOST DECIDED MAJORITY in the legislature) to leave the nomination of the electors to the members of the republican congressional districts; this accounts for the difference in the tickets -- parts for Madison -- part for Clinton. But admitting all the doubtful ones to be for Clinton (which they will not be) still it will be 12 For Madison, 7 For Clinton -- Total 19. Majority for Madison, 5. It is generally believed however, (and I entertain no doubt of it myself) that the whole ticket will vote for Madison. Judge Spencer has come out for him." The Monitor (Washington, DC). November 17, 1808.

[27]The Monitor (Washington, DC), November 17, prints a letter from Albany about the nomination of the New York electors. It lists each elector with either a "C" for Clinton, an "M" for Madison, or a "D" for doubtful. The electors listed with a C are: James Tallmadge, Henry Yates, Jr., Adam B. Vrooman, Jabez N.M. Hurd, and Joseph Simonds. The electors listed with an M are: John W. Seaman, Henry Rutgers, John Garrison, Ebenezer White, Thomas Lawrence, Jonathan Rouse, Micajah Pettit, Benjamin Moore [sic], Thomas Shankland, Russel Atwater, Judge Spencer [sic], and Henry Huntington. The electors listed with a D are: Hugh Jamison, Mathew Carpenter.

[28]"The Electoral Votes -- Some time ago it was asserted by our modern Schedoni, that 'Mr. Madison, had no friends in this state, out of the city of New York!' Republicans! look at the commentary and judge of the strength of faction. Our elector's assembled in Hudson on Wednesday last, and voted for the candidates for next president of the United States as follows: JAMES MADISON, THE LEGITIMATE CANDIDATE ... GEORGE CLINTON, THE SPURIOUS CANDIDATE ... The malevolent and black hearted Schedoni, in the lying Gazette of Saturday last, stated in a report that the result of the election in this state would be agreeable to his wishes. When, lo! it appeared by the subsequent intelligence of that very day that MR. MADISON had THIRTEEN Electoral votes, and Mr. Clinton, notwithstanding a desperate and unprincipled opposition, but SIX! The pertinacity and desperation of this last remaining faction in the state, ought to be remembered. -- Where is the man that will dare to vindicate or associate with Schedoni? When the solemn Republican sentance 'Depart for Ever' is read to Schedoni, will De Witt dare to resist It? Poor Ixion! With feeble waxen wings, he fell. Memento Mori." The Public Advertiser (New York, NY). December 12, 1808.

[29]Thirteen New York electors voted for George Clinton for Vice-President. Three of the remaining votes for Vice-President were cast for James Madison, and three for James Monroe.

[30]Norfolk Gazette and Publick Ledger (Norfolk, VA), American Citizen (New York, NY), November 8, Republican Watch-Tower (New York, NY), November 8, and The Freeman's Journal and Philadelphia Mercantile Advertiser (Philadelphia, PA) use the name Moores for Benjamin Mooers. The Monitor (Washington, DC) and Palladium (Frankfort, KY) use the name Moore for Benjamin Mooers.

References:

Journal of the New York Assembly at their Thirty-Second Session, 1808.

Journal of the New York State Senate, at their Thirty-Second Session, 1808.

The Albany Register (Albany, NY). November 8, 1808.

American Citizen (New York, NY). November 8, 1808.

Republican Watch-Tower (New York, NY). November 8, 1808.

The Freeman's Journal and Philadelphia Mercantile Advertiser (Philadelphia, PA). November 9, 1808.

The True American and Commercial Advertiser (Philadelphia, PA). November 9, 1808.

The Albany Register (Albany, NY). November 11, 1808.

American Citizen (New York, NY). November 11, 1808.

American Citizen (New York, NY). November 12, 1808.

New-York Herald (New York, NY). November 12, 1808.

Norfolk Gazette and Publick Ledger (Norfolk, VA). November 14, 1808.

Republican Watch-Tower (New York, NY). November 15, 1808.

American Citizen (New York, NY). November 16, 1808.

The Monitor (Washington, DC). November 17, 1808.

Republican Watch-Tower (New York, NY). November 18, 1808.

The Palladium (Frankfort, KY). December 8, 1808.

The Public Advertiser (New York, NY). December 12, 1808.

National Archives and Records Administration. http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/votes/1789_1821.html

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